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SPCA’s approach draws fire in Schenectady cat collector case

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For the past two months, the SPCA has known about a cat collector in the Stockade neighborhood. But they haven’t swooped in to remove the animals or arrest the owner. Instead, they sent officers over every week to counsel and cajole the man into changing his ways. It’s an unusually gentle approach that has raised the ire of some local cat rescue agencies, groups that were dealing with collectors — also known as “hoarders” — ...

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annarondac
May 22, 2009
6:26 a.m.

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All cats should be house cats. It's cruel letting them roam to get hit by a car, eaten by a predator or picked up by a person. Dog owners must contain their dogs, so should cat owners. It would reduce stories like this.

packrat2009
May 22, 2009
7:15 a.m.

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Ok. I'm older and I know this won't sit well with all of the people wanting animals to be neutered or spayed and by the way I completely agree with the idea in principal. BUT in this case he has special needs and education is the best way to handle this. Ms. Green, he doesn't "need to be stopped" his pets for the most part were healthy and fed. He needs to be educated. People today make way to many generalizations and I find that there are a lot of special circumstances which must be worked around. Strong arm tactics by people and government is not well tollerated. I personally have, for most of my life have had one dog and two cats. I have to agree that cats should be restrained if outside or be kept in the house. Again I know this will aggravate some people but my cats were house cats and never, ever left the house so they were totally declawed. Yes some might think this was cruel but they lived a long long healthy life inside. Thanks for letting me voice MY opinion.

Pamela8
May 22, 2009
8 a.m.

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I agree with packrat. This man is not abusing his cats. Glad the SPCA is working with him, I'm sure with gentle persuasion he will come around and agree to help with the cats.

IF the man and his cats were living in filth, cat feces and urine all around and extreme flea infestation, than it would be a health problem and more drastic measures taken.

But here is a case of someone with a big heart, truly loves his pets, and is taking better care of them then the stray cats I observe that my neighbors dont care for, with litter after litter and I feed them. Can't take them in as I have 5 housecats of my own. Jeez should I say that, might have a group banging down my door.

stellar77
May 22, 2009
8:50 a.m.

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I coudn't agree more with the approach the SPCA is taking. Who would benefit from "kicking down doors" and "snatching cats" in this situation? The way the SPCA is hadeling it is right...the cats are healthy and the man is being educated.

As for Sue Green's approach, I didn't realize in our society forcing people to alter their animal is legal...oh wait, it's NOT!! Should the man spay them, sure, but he can't be forced to, and it sounds like he is working with the SPCA to get this done. And if he is of limited means, even $20 in this economy is a lot. Give him the benefit of the doubt that he will do the right thing over time.

I think it's important for agencies with similar goals to work together...it seems like Ms. Green is letting her opinion of this one case jade her opinion of the SPCA, whose goal it is to protect the animals...and that to me is a shame.

gg802
May 22, 2009
10:06 a.m.

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Sue Green's position is totally irresponsible and reckless. Cats die every day in the shelters because there are no homes for them. The so called "no-kill" rescues, which in truth are "leave the killing to someone else" rescues, will almost never accept surrendered cats from the general public because in order to be a "no-kill" group, they must severely limit the number of animals they are willing to take. Funny how Sue Green and the "rescues" can suddenly find homes and fosters for the 28 cats talked about in the article, but let an anonymous member of the general public ask for help with a surrender and see if they get it. I suggest the general public give it a try and see what the response is. These cats, according to the article, are being cared for. It is in the best interest of both the owner and the cats to work WITH them.

catlover14
May 22, 2009
11:01 a.m.

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As one of the cat rescue volunteers who has been to this man's house, I would like to let everyone know that this article is not accurate. First of all the article does not mention that this man left 46 cats after he moved out of his last residence in 2008, all of which were sick and had to be put down. He also left a large number of cats behind after moving in 2007, although I'm not sure of that number.

As one of the volunteers I had to pick up two of his cats at the spay and neuter clinic, both of whom were sick and one female was so sick that she could not be spayed and was feared that she would not make it through the weekend. When dropping these cats off we told the man that the cat needed immediate medical attention or it may not live through the weekend. He said he was too busy to do that because he was going to the movies. He then added "Well this isn't one of the cats that I'd want to keep anyway".

Also, all of the cats are sick. Upper respiratory infections in cats spread very quickly, so if a few have it, they are all going to have it. Especially these cats that have NEVER been to the vet!!

I just hope all of you cat lovers that are supporting the SPCA are around to help take in these cats when the man abandons them again.. like he did the last two times.

catlover14
May 22, 2009
11:36 a.m.

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Also gg802.. you are obviously a member of the SPCA because you mention the 28 cats the man initially had. The article says he has 15-17, so wouldn't know about the 28 unless I'm right. The SPCA has no experience in anything like this and as someone who has been in this man's apartment, it is really sad and disturbing to know what the fate of these cats is going to be. These rescues do amazing work and put the welfare of cats as their top priority. The issue here is these cats and not the SPCA. Cat rescues have been rescuing cats for years and years.. and now the SPCA is involved after only forming a year ago and everything has gotten political. It's very sad!

doglover1981
May 22, 2009
2:09 p.m.

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catlover14 you have no clue what you are talking about so please stop...the Schenectady County SPCA is doing a great job!!you must remember they are a LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY who PREVENTS THE ABUSE please read that again PREVENTS THE ABUSE!!!! this article CLEARLY STATES they have helped this man and are helping him and his animals so stop judgeing them and get a life cause you sound like the crazy cat lady on the simpsons cartoon.And for the spca only being around for one year they seem to know more THAN YOU!!! its people like you who make me sick!

veracity
May 22, 2009
2:31 p.m.

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Sorry SPCA supporters! Catlover14 is telling the truth. I was at the spay neuter clinic that the sick mom was brought to and I am a member of a rescue who has dealt with some of the kittens that were surrendered by this man. Most of which had upper respiratory issues and one that after almost a month is still sick in foster.
The SPCA's approach is not an unvalid approach. However, this man has created a cat hoarding problem at his two previous locations and has now created a third. The 40+ cats at his previous residence are now
all dead. They never had a chance.
If the SPCA wants to work with him and monitor him great. But let's get the cats out now and then deal with his possible psychological issues. BTW, statistically animal hoarders have a high rate of recidivism. For an in-depth report on hoarding see
http://www.tufts.edu/vet/cfa/hoarding/pu...
One of the authors is Randall Lockwood a nationally known expert on hoarding who spoke in the Capital District several years ago.

doglover1981
May 22, 2009
2:44 p.m.

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WELL IF YOU WOULD USE YOUR BRAIN (IF YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT)THE SPCA WASNT AROUND TO HELP THESE ANIMALS AND THIS MAN.NOW THAT THEY ARE AROUND THEY CAN HELP THIS MAN AND THE ANIMALS. GOD THINK BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTHS.. I BELEAVE HIGHLY IN THE SPCA AND ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU TWO AND SUE GREEN WHO DO NOTHING BUT TALK BAD ABOUT THEM...MAYBE THEY SHOULD INVESTIGATE YOU BOTH AND LOCK YOU UP FOR A LONG TIME!!!!!!! SPCA WORKERS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK I SUPPORT YOU 100% ITS THE CAT RESCUE PEOPLE THAT ARE NO GOOD. HMM I WONDER WHAT TYPE OF ILLEGAL THINGS YOU DID BEFORE THE SPCA WAS FORMED!!!!!!

Hochef
May 22, 2009
2:54 p.m.

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Doglover, you are too funny! It really does need to be stated that these private cat rescues that take public money NEVER take cats from the general public. They really should be investigated for deceiving the public. Then most of them turn around and complain about what happens to them and then bash the APF and MHHS for euthenizing. I did quite a bit of rescue work in the past and was never able to get one of the local cat rescues take any cat from a surrenderer. Now they can take all the cats from this man? Give me a break!!! The Department of Social Services tries very hard to work with families before removing children, why should it be different with pets. I have to wonder why Veracity and Catlover did not call the police on this man before - animal hoarders (remember the infamous Stockade and Niskayuna cases?) have been prosecuted long before the SPCA was around. It is this very reason that you can tell they are embellishing the story about his man.

catlover14
May 22, 2009
2:57 p.m.

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Doglover.. please use a spell check and take a grammar course. I don't even understand half of what you wrote because it's a run-on sentence and doesn't make sense. You are the one that not only needs to use your brain, but you also need to get one. Yes, I am a crazy cat lady.. I'm crazy about them and want to help them. Go do your SPCA stuff and leave the real rescuing to the rescues who have been doing this longer than anyone.

This shouldn't even be about rescues arguing with the SPCA.. it should be about helping these cats! I don't know why you are so angry. I know the SPCA trapped and released 4 feral cats, but all of the rescues in the area have helped thousands, and bad mouthing them is horrible!

I think the SPCA should investigate me, that's pretty funny, so thanks for making me laugh. :) Have a nice day!

doglover1981
May 22, 2009
3:12 p.m.

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I never said i was with the spca so why do you think that every person on here who is against cat rescue groups are with the spca? i dont even live in new york so before you run your mouth get the facts straight!

rozimcpozi
May 22, 2009
3:33 p.m.

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I was going to stay out of this argument, but since other than catlover14 no one quoted in this article or anyone who has responded to this article has any first hand knowledge of this incident.

A call was made to the SPCA several months ago about about a possible cat hoarding situation in the Stockade area of Schenectady. After sitting on desk of the Rosource director for a month my wife was contacted to see if she could help with the situation. At the time we were both volunteers at the SPCA and my wife was active in several area rescues.

My wife went down to assess the situation. What she found was a gentleman overwhelmed by personal (not mental or developmental)issues which included many cats and kitten. The cats were not being abused, they were being fed and there were little boxes. The major problem at first glance was that the cats were not spayed or neutered and were reproducing with each other. My wife talked to him and convinced him to start relinquishing some of the kittens and to begin the process of getting the animals altered. Unfortunately before this could be accomplished the law enforcement arm of the SPCA went to his home in full uniform and guns with lights blaring. He was of course scared and defensive. After several phone calls and visits my wife was able to convince the gentleman to relinquish 4 kittens and 7 other cats to be altered. At this time we were also able to get the SPCA to take a more calm approach to dealing with the situation. At the time they wanted him arrested and brought before a judge and all the cats taken from him, brought to shelters where they would more than likely have been euthanized. My wife resigned her volunteer position at the SPCA over their lack of compassion and cooporation in this matter. It was also during this time that we found that the cats were very sick URIs. My wife personally took this gentleman to our vet to have the cats evaluated and medicine given. The kittens were placed with Cat Tales Rescue and are up for adoption. 5 cats remain with Sue from Cat Tales because they are too sick to be returned or adopted.

We also learned from the vets that treated the cats that they were all sick and underweight. Birth defects were showing due to the inbreeding. It was then that we all learned of the previous hoarding incidences. This was not found by the law enforcement arm of the SPCA but from individuals involved.

Local vets have been found and foster homes are being looked for for these cats.

This is where we stand now.

rozimcpozi
May 22, 2009
3:34 p.m.

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What needs to be stated is that first the SPCA intitial response was to strong arm and scare the gentleman to give up his cats. A Google search of Matt Tullys's past involvement with humane services will show this is consistent with this action. It was only after pleading with the SPCA that a more humane approach was taken.

At no time that I know of was a raid of the premises planned by the local rescue groups. If you have ever met the men and women involved you would find this idea incredible.

The focus was never to be punitive. At no time were there any plans to bring these cats to a shelter to be put down. The rescue groups have spent much time and money trying to rehap the sick cats.

The cats that have been helped have been helped by the local rescue groups with the co operation of vets and other concerned people in the area. Many of these people have used personal funds to help.

Unfortunately the SPCA has not contributed anything more than hollow words and the gas to fuel their cruiser.

Theleftwhale
May 22, 2009
3:38 p.m.

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I have read the previous article about the SPCA and now the current article. I was very disheartened at the amount of incorrect information in these articles. Has everyone forgotten what the real focus should be? It's unfortunate this has come down to somewhat of a "power struggle".

The gentleman everyone is referring to, is NOT of limited mental capacity. He is perfectly capable of functioning normally, has held a job and lovingly cared for his elderly parents right up to the end of their lives. He is compassionate and loves each and every one of his animals AND they adore him. The problem is that he becomes overwhelmed. He does not deal well with the cats becoming ill and the concept of taking them for vet care. He does not own a vehicle, so this does make it difficult. When transportation was offered, so that he could bring them for vet care, he was receptive and 6 of the cats were evaluated and treated. Six additional cats have gone out and been spayed or neutered. The hope is to get the rest done. He does need to understand that the animals need fresh air, and find a way to get those windows open & secured. They have plenty of food and water and he keeps the litter boxes very clean. Many of these cats were his mother's and since her death was fairly recent, it makes it harder for him to relinquish them. He is a likeable individual, but he needs to be able to see that keeping that many cats in such a small space is not an ideal situation. He is not unreasonable, he is just very attached to them, and for many sentimental reasons, is having trouble giving them up.
Cat Tales rescue has "stepped up to the plate" and has been taking care of the sick cats and helping with spaying and neutering. Kara Haraden, who works mostly thru Saratoga Co. shelter has sponsored cats for the S&N program. Other rescues have offered to help take some of the cats when they are relinquished. I have yet to work alongside a rescue, whose main focus is the welfare of the cat. The rescues are the foundation of pet welfare. We may not have legal authority, wear uniforms & badges or carry a gun, but each and every Rescue worker wears "their heart on their sleeve" and sheds a tear for every animal lost. I am proud to say I am a Cat Rescue Volunteer!

doglover1981
May 22, 2009
3:41 p.m.

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"SPCA went to his home in full uniform and guns with lights blaring." how do lights blar?????

catlover14
May 22, 2009
3:48 p.m.

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Thank you for posting the facts. The real focus here is the welfare of the cats! Well said leftwhale and rocimcpozi

veracity
May 22, 2009
3:59 p.m.

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Dear doglover and hochef,

The reason that the police were not called was because
we went to the SPCA expecting them to resolve the situation. Also, I wouldn't bash the APF or Mohawk Hudson because one, I also volunteer for the APF and
two, I have adopted senior cats from both organizations, including one this past weekend.

I would like to thank the other people with actual firsthand knowledge of the situation who wrote in.
I am also on the board of Cat Tales and am very aware of what our fosters are dealing with.

As for rescues not taking in cats offered by the public we are often limited by the number of fosters available and the fact that many people are unwilling to try to resolve their animal issues and just want to get rid of the problem.

I am always happy to talk and/or debate in a civilized manner but I am tired of armchair quarterbacks like doglover and hochef (by the way, what rescue experience do either of you have?)spewing venom about situations that they have no personal knowledge of.

doglover1981
May 22, 2009
4:28 p.m.

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I may not have the experience in "cat rescue " but i have experience in law and i am a dog lover and have been one all my life. NOW how this story reads you guys/girls just wanna take this mans cats and bash the spca i have no respect for people who bash other agencys you need to remember spca's are for the PREVENTION of animal cruelty they are not for kicking in peoples doors. as i said before they where not around to help with the fist time this guy was around but they are now in schenectady county and they are helping and if you say they are not experienced with cat hoarding than stop bashing them and help them. I have googled Mr.tully and his background shows he would not let this go bad if the situation was really as bad as you all say it is. you cant just go and kick peoples doors in you have to get warrants and you as a cat rescue wouldn't be able to take the cats anyway they would be held as evidence and with getting a warrant they would have to arrest this man. so please just stop while you are ahead of your self i don't care if you are the head of a cat rescue or the person who cleans up the litter from the cats. you are making your selfs look like fools. ALSO its sad that you all are calling each other to go on and defend each other atleast the spca people are not on here makeing fools of them selfs and showing how professional they are and thats what really matters so good job on looking like fools!!!!!

Hochef
May 22, 2009
4:30 p.m.

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Please re-read the comment - it was clearly asked why the police were not contacted over the first two incidences of the alleged hoarding - long before the SPCA was around. It is incredulous that a supposed cat lover would pull 40 some cats out of house and not call the police. So this man was involved in TWO previous hoarding cases and none of you called the police either of those times?!? Your attempts at deceiving the public have failed. Either Catlover is not the cat lover he claims to be or it didn't happen. Seems that you, Rozi and Cat have personal issue here and are just angry because you can't triangle the public into a grudge match between yourselves and the SPCA.

rozimcpozi
May 22, 2009
4:45 p.m.

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I am not sure what public money the Cat rescues receive. I am sure they would appreciate it seeing that so much time is spent Fundraising and so much personal money is spent. There are grants out there for spay/neuter clinics but the need so far outways the funds that the rescues often must rely on the benevolence of vets and again their personal money to get these cats altered.

Did you know that upwards of 30 cats and kittens have been caught, neutered and either returned or adopted since February? Each of the cats required someone to go out and trap the cat, using their own car, gas, traps, food. They require a foster home to keep the cats until neutering. Then a place and financing must be found. After the procedure the foster home must be available until they can returned or adopted. All this costs money for food, litter and supplies. One of our foster moms on a fixed in one will go without before her charges suffer.

These thirty cats are just a small portion of the animals helped by the area rescues.
I would like to say that the SPCA is a prominant player but they are not. Most of there money, including grants made for this purpose, goes to law enocement. No money goes to actual rescue work. At an April volunteer meeting I asked for a financial report. I was told they would not be providing us with one.

The cat rescues are a group of dedicated animal lovers who help actual animals.

catlover14
May 22, 2009
4:52 p.m.

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Doglover, please learn proper grammar. lol You are cracking me up though, so thanks again! Maybe the state you live in can provide you with English 101 or maybe something more of the elementary nature would be more suitable for you? Hocef, the previous hoarding cases were just recently discovered about a week ago I think. Oh and I am not a "he", but that's ok. :) As doglover said, I sound like a "crazy cat lady". That's actually not an insult to me although I think it was meant to be. I'm also not trying to deceive anyone about anything. Or maybe I'm deceiving everyone so much and am so damn good at it that I've deceived myself? lol I also don't want a grudge match with the SPCA as they are irrelevant to me at this point. Also thanks for using good grammar, unlike doglover.

Veracity I agree with you, this is getting ridiculous and what really matters is that these cats are sick and need medical care. It's a sad situation that has been blown out of proportion because all of the facts have not been reported. Gotta love the press! :)

rozimcpozi
May 22, 2009
4:56 p.m.

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We did not learn of the previous incidents until about a week ago. The law enforcement arm of the SPCA did NOT investgate. It was educated guessing on private individuals that made this past insidences known. The apt. complex did try to locate the gentleman by contacting the police but he could not be found.

This is not a personal issue with the SPCA. I feel that when the public goes to donate their limited money and time they should do so with all the facts not just rely onname recognition and some I'll researched reporting.

veracity
May 22, 2009
5:01 p.m.

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Actually, hochef and doglover, I have no issue with the SPCA other than that they have failed to resolve this situation.
The fact that this man was hoarding previously was unknown to anyone including rescue groups, the SPCA or local law enforcement. When the current situation was discovered, some research was done and the previous situations were found out. The issue now is that there are cats in a hoarding situation that need to be rescued. Whether this man is well-meaning or psychologically disturbed remains to be seen. We have cats in foster now that are or have been ill with URI's and volunteers have seen birth defects from inbreeding.
Those are the facts and I have presented all the knowledge I have truthfully.
If the both of you or anyone else chooses not to or does not want to believe it, I cannot help that.
I stand by my word.

catlover14
May 22, 2009
5:03 p.m.

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One more thing doglover. Here is the definition of blaring according to the dictionary. Glaring intensity of light or color:

Please let me know if you need me to translate any of the other bigger words for you. lol

doglover1981
May 22, 2009
5:14 p.m.

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veracity, instead of bashing the spca maybe you should be helping them.All i can tell from the comments on here all of you do not want to work with them (spca) so to me it just shows how much all of you DONT CARE.

catlover14, do you really think i care about my grammer on here im not trying to impress anyone just trying to prove a point so the number at the end of your name must show how old you are. Because you act like a 14 year old.

Hochef
May 22, 2009
5:18 p.m.

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LOL! Slowly, but surely the truth comes out! Educated guessing? More correctly know as speculation. I pray you NEVER sit on a jury. God help us. So you want to take away a man's cats based on "educated guessing"? As you say, there was no investigation! So much for due process! The approach taken by the SPCA is the correct one. No one should have their pets taken away unless in iminent danger. He was never charged or convicted previously for anything, but yet you want to try and convict him in your own court. Get real.

Hochef
May 22, 2009
5:32 p.m.

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Veracity, it doesn't sound like the SPCA "failed" to do anything, but rather "failed" to handle it the way YOU wanted it to be done. This man, as well as everyone, deserves a chance and I appreciate that the SPCA is willing to work with him. You refer to "previous situations", but no charges, arrests or convictions. Unless you can offer up the aforementioned, all you have is hearsay and we don't arrest people on hearsay in this country. Even social services tries to keep families together where there is blatant abuse.

catlover14
May 22, 2009
9:30 p.m.

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Unless anyone has actually been in this man's apartment or knows of the situation first hand, then you really have no right to judge. The first four posts on this page were attacks against Sue Green and rescues, which is the only reason I responded as I do not care to argue with anybody. One of the people making the attacks is from the SPCA also, so that's really where it started. All I wanted to do was explain the facts from my first hand experience in dealing with this man, and then doglover told me to use my brain and said I had no idea what I was talking about. Very nice being that you don't even live in New York State and have no idea of the actual facts surrounding this situation. However, I do apologize for making fun of your grammar, but there was no need to personally attack me for posting facts that I know to be true, because I was there! If I'm 14 then you're about 8!! I was a volunteer for the SPCA as well because I was excited to learn that a chapter was starting in our area. After realizing that it was all political stuff, which I hate, I opted to just volunteer with the rescues.

The facts are simple, the cats in this man's apartment are sick. We now know that he's left dozens of sicks cats behind in the past. The SPCA knows about this and that is the law enforcement authority that needs to handle it. I don't know, maybe there is an animal cruelty statute of limitations that has expired since 2008, and that is why this man has yet to be held accountable for what happened to these cats. I don't think anyone will argue the fact that leaving 46+ sick cats behind when you move is cruel, not even you doglover (as I can tell you love animals). The SPCA has been notified and that's all we can do as to the past cases that only recently came to our attention. For now, let's hope and pray he does not leave these other sick cats and gets them the medical attention they need. The rescues are willing to help him and have gone above and beyond already. It's about the cats!

catlover14
May 22, 2009
9:33 p.m.

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If anyone does happen to know the statute of limitations on animal cruelty laws please let me know. That would be good to know. Thanks

doglover1981
May 22, 2009
10:20 p.m.

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on a serious note this case should have never been brought to the newspapers. all i have to say is this article is childish! no disrespect to anyone on here it sounds like everyone on here is an adult so this should have been handled like adults and if anyone had concerns they should have delt with the spca as adults. i wish everyone the best of luck.

p.s. who knows now what damage you could have done to the spca and morale of the officers who work to protect the animals.

catlover14
May 22, 2009
11:28 p.m.

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I agree with you fully! This article should not have been in the newspaper!

rozimcpozi
May 22, 2009
11:36 p.m.

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What should not have been brought to the newspapers is an article that was not fact checked. The author of the article just took the quotes at face value without any follow up. If Kathleen Moore had done some leg work she would have found out what really occurred.

She would have been able to report that the SPCA to date have rescued no animals. They have not put one cent into humane services. Not one SPCA member has stepped forward to help with the animals in question.

What she would have found is that it is the mutual co operation from the local cat rescues that have kept these cats alive.

What she will find in the future is that while Matt Tully continues to seek the limelight and publicity for his law firm the dedicated volunteers at the local rescues will continue to help the animals at risk in our community.

I personally have responded to the untruths even though I was warned to "Be careful" by the fund raising director of the SPCA.

Let us support our local rescues who work hard without guns, police cars and threats.

doglover1981
May 23, 2009
7:25 a.m.

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rozimcpozi,

Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA). i do not see anything saying rescue in the spca's name just the prevention of crulety to animals ok just because YOU say that the spca has no rescued any animals does not mean they have not saved any by doing investigations and correcting the mistakes people have made with their animals these people who work for the spca would not be doing this if it wasnt for the passion they have to make sure all animals are safe.also how is matt tully seeking publicity for his lawfirm i do not see anything about his lawfirm in this article. the more you talk (side note im really not trying to bash or disrespect you) your making cat rescues look bad with this non stop bashing of the spca. professionalism is everything in this world.

P.S. another reason this article should have never been printed is now how well is this guy gonna react to the article, is he going to take off and run, or is he going to not cooperate with the spca and cat rescues so good job!

*NOTE* TO THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE THIS IS NOT TO BASH YOU.. THIS WAS AN EXCELLENT ARTICLE. WHEN I SAID THIS SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN PRINTED I MEANT IT AS IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN REPORTED TO THE MEDIA.

catlover14
May 23, 2009
9:50 a.m.

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If there job is investigating and preventing cruelty to animals, then they should do that! I'm all for that! The SPCA has a chance now to hold this man accountable for the 46 sick cats he abandoned last year and take steps to prevent him from ever doing this again. It's my understanding that the landlord of that place will cooperate with the investigation. So let's see if they step up to the plate? Let's prevent cruelty!!!

wmarincic
May 23, 2009
10:06 a.m.

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doglover1981
My wife and I have been trapping abandoned and feral cats for years. We either find homes for those that are adaptable and we re-release the feral cat's. We pay out of our own pockets to have these cat's spayed or neutered. My wife has a large pet house on our enclosed back porch that is lined with heating pads in the winter, there is always food and water and we probably have 7 or 8 cat's that are regular visitors. Sue Green and the rest of the cat rescue organizations have been fantastic. I would also like to make it clear that these resue groups are filled with caring people that spend many hours every day to aid in the rescue of these cats and they all spend quite a few of their own dollars, they should be commended not attacked. One male and one female cat will create over 200,000 cats in a 7 year period according to the SPCA's own website. We as a community need to step up and support these animal rescue groups along with the shelters.

ARVic
May 23, 2009
10:10 a.m.

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Good Job, SPCA! It is better to work with this guy rather than take the cats. There is no place for them and if they end up in the shelter, they will most likely be euthenized as there are way too many cats and not enough homes for them all. I have to agree with some of the previous comments. When my mother went to long term care, I contacted every cat rescue in the area, not ONE would take the cats. I know the shelters would take them, but if they got too full, I knew there would be a good chance of putting them to sleep. Sounds like these people writing here got fired or something and have a score to settle.

wmarincic
May 23, 2009
10:10 a.m.

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BTW just like Kathleen "Hatchet Job" Moores articles concerning the Schenectady Police, her articles are filled with untruths and erronious information. My question is where is her editor to verify the information that she is putting in the paper as truth. Anytime I see a Moore article I know that it will be filled with half truths and outright lies. She is a joke.

stellar77
May 23, 2009
10:34 a.m.

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It is so disapointing to see individuals working toward the same goal as the SPCA bash the organization and its members. I visited their website and am amazed that there are individuals out there that would give up so much of their precious free time to train to become Peace Officers, carry a deadly weapon, learn all the Animal Cruelty laws, and go out and put their lives on the line in entering peoples homes FOR NO PAY! They do this because they believe in the mission of the organization. I don't see how that is at all "political". Catlover14 is so quick to point out that she believes that they don't do any "humane services". The organization was formed a year ago. It's officers and volunteers have only been working and fundraising for ONE YEAR. And let's remember that this was a very hard year economically. Who in their right mind would think that a non-profit could raise so much money that it could do all it wants to do in such a short period of time? I'm sure just like any organization, they have to prioritize where the money goes until they get so much rolling in that they can do everything that they want to do.

As for this man's past actions, no one but him knows the reasons behind it. Is it possible that we was evicted and didn't know what to do with the animals? It was mentioned that they were all sick. Had he contacted the APF, what do you think would have happened to them?? Maybe he didn't know where to turn. Why are some of you making him out to be some horrible monster of a human being? Clearly he needs help, and it seems that is what the SPCA and the rescues were doing in conjunction with one another until the SPCA did't do exactly as the rescue groups demanded.

One last thought...why is Mr. Tully coming under fire personally. As mentioned in another post, he does not mention his law firm once in this article and nothing on the SPCA website connects the two (except his bio). This seems like a professional man who is able to use his position to better our communities. Last year there was a silent auction held at his law firm which helped raise money for the SPCA (I was unable to attend but heard that it was a success). Based on my research of previous newspaper reports, Mr. Tully donated a great deal of personal funds to get this organization off the ground. An article also mentioned that he has risen from an SPCA Officer to now the Chief of the Schenectady SPCA in 20 years, all as a volunteer with 2 other SPCA's. If he doesn't have the animals best interests at hand, I don't know who does!!

doglover1981
May 23, 2009
11:05 a.m.

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to me it seems they cant arrest him there is no law stating how many cats you can own and you cant force him to alter these cats it seems your love for cats are affecting your judgement on this issue.

catlover14
May 23, 2009
11:19 a.m.

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You misquoted me. I never said the SPCA didn't do anything "humane", I never even used that word at all actually. I did say it was political as this whole discussion absolutely proves. The first 4 posts (one of whom I know was an SPCA person), were attacking rescues and Sue Green personally, which was completely uncalled for. This is before anybody from a rescue even said a word. The responses from the rescue people are in order as they were attacked first. They should at least have the right to tell their side of the story, but apparently nobody wants to listen. I hate politics and arguing like this. A lot of people put in a lot of time to help animals! That is what this is all about! I think if the article was written with all of the correct facts, nobody would be arguing. But that's the press for you! I responded to the article only after reading the rescue bashing from at least 1 SPCA person. I'm disgusted with myself now for even arguing such ridiculous points with people that have never even met this man, met his cats or dealt with him. I've seen the cats and their sick! Unfortunately there is a possibility he is going to abandon them again. I hope I'm wrong!

rozimcpozi
May 23, 2009
11:33 a.m.

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I know the answers to the questions about the SPCA and what they have done because I have been there and asked questions. You, Doglover1981, have not.

ARVic
May 23, 2009
11:38 a.m.

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Thanks for some rational comments, Stellar. Seems to me like this Catlover and company have some personal vendetta with the organization. If Sue Green doesn't like the way the SPCA does things, she can start her own. If the SPCA was just formed a year ago like you said, how can they go back and arrest this guy for what he allegedly did in the past. Catlover & Co. are frightening. And Catlover, you are missing the point - the cat rescues do not accept surrenders as the case with my mothers cats and it is legitimate to ask why the rescues do not take surrenders that need a place to go but want to take this mans cats. Sounds more like a Gestapo mentality than rescue to me.

ARVic
May 23, 2009
11:44 a.m.

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PS - it seems funny that Cat & Co claim this should have never been brought to the papers. Obviously Tully didn't call the paper, and Cat & Co. claim to have all the details. Well, gee, just how then did the paper get wind of this story? Not too hard to figure out.

plug
May 23, 2009
11:51 a.m.

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Has anyone else noticed the ID's of the two that are fighting like cats and dogs? Lighten up, kids! Stop barking! Retract all claws!

ARVic
May 23, 2009
12:10 p.m.

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Interesting. I did a google search on ROZIMCPOZI. Mary Ann posts on her own blog that the SPCA has an active Trap Neuter Program. And a few posts back, she claims they don't do humane services. Hmmmm. Which is the lie?
http://twitter.com/SchenectadySPCA

wmarincic
May 23, 2009
12:37 p.m.

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Here is the bottom line. If he has 14 cats 7 male and 7 female they will give birth to roughly 70 more cats in a year those 42 females will give birth to 420 more cats the next year by having two litters and on and on. That is the issue, no one person can take care of 500 plus cats. When does someone step in, when he has 200 or more cat's? Then we will be hearing the same complainers asking why nothing was done about this sooner. Like Bob Barker said for 40 years , " Please Spay and neuter your pets" And Kathleen "Hatchet Job Moore" need's to actually get the facts before publishing a story.. What a joke she is as a so called reporter.

rozimcpozi
May 23, 2009
2:35 p.m.

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At one point my wife was trying to work with the SPCA to start a TNR program. She and another associate DID all the work in TNR. They used traps borrowed from area rescues, they used their own cars, their own gas, their own money. When she asked for some funds to purchase traps, funds that we all helped raise, she was told no. Not wanting to be personally financially responsible for other groups ecquipment she decided not to pursue working eith the SPCA anymore. Gigi and Darla you were both at this meeting so you know that it is true. When I asked for a financial report at the same meeting I was told know. I was asked to write a newsletter for the SPCA by Darla I fudged the first month and used the accomplishments of some members to flesh out the first newsletter. When I asked for some accomplishments for the next month I was told there was nothing.

If you look back at time line of these posts you will see that it was Gigi, who is an SPCA volunteer, who did the bashing of Sue Green and the rescues.

The rescues help the animals they can help. Do they have to turn away some people, maybe. But there are limited dolars all around and I think people should know where their money is going. It is your choice. Guns, cruisers and a maybe we can help in the future or real animals being helped today. The choice is yours.

These cats need foster homes. Any of you bashing the rescues are you willing to open up your homes? Darla, Gigi, Kim be the first in the SPCA and step up.

I never said the SPCA could not, in the future, be a good force in the community. I did say that the article misrepresented the SPCA's role in this incident. I stated the facts and since I have more first hand knowlede of this incident I feel that was my right.

doglover1981
May 23, 2009
3 p.m.

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rozimcpozi, how do you know first hand when you said your wife was the one who went to the house. stop talking out of your ass.

"My wife went down to assess the situation. What she found was a gentleman overwhelmed by personal (not mental or developmental)issues which included many cats and kitten. The cats were not being abused, they were being fed and there were little boxes."

rozimcpozi
May 23, 2009
3:07 p.m.

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I have been there you have not.

stellar77
May 23, 2009
3:39 p.m.

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Rozimcpozi,

Are you kidding? "Guns, cruisers and a maybe we can help in the future or real animals being helped today." Do you have any evidence that the SPCA has not helped animals? It sounds like you are making a huge judgement on the organization based on one case that you happen to be somehow personally involved and don't like the outcome. I am just speculating here, but I bet with those cruisers, the SPCA officers have been out investigating many cases of animal abuse and neglect. Unless you have information to contradict this, I think you should stop trying to woo people away from supporting the SPCA, it's very unprofessional, especially when the end goal of all these organizations is animal welfare.

rozimcpozi
May 23, 2009
4:29 p.m.

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As a volunteer for the SPCA I was to write their newsletter and do things like their Twitter updates. When I asked for something tangible to write I was told there was nothing to report. If they cannot tell their own volunteers what they are doing who will they tell. At the April volunteer meeting we were told that the only extra money had to go to pay insurance on the cruiser and to pay for gas to put in the cruiser.

If you can give me an example that would be great. Tell us all what it is. And then tell us why they would not want people to know it.

Gigi, who is part of the SPCA, bad mouthed people by name and bad mouthed the rescues and you did not have an issue with it. Why is that.

I will reiterate the issue I have with this article is that it misrepresented what the SPCA's stated position was. I heard that their position was for him to be arrested. This I heard from both Nick and Darla. Now if they want to say they have come to this new found warm fuzzy way that is great. That has been my position all along as both Gigi and Darla know.

If they have changed their mind great step up and help with the cats. Help us find foster homes. Help give some of the foster families a break so they can go away. Help get some food donated and then dispersed. Help bring the cats to the APF at 8am and pick them up at 4.

There is plenty for all to do. All I am asking is before the SPCA takes credit they do some of the work.

ARVic
May 23, 2009
4:33 p.m.

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Stellar, this woman is unbelievable. The picture of a spoiled brat is unfolding. She was told she couldn't have what she wanted, stomped off and is having a tempter tantrum on this blog. I have been requesting a new copier on my job for over a year now and can't get it - because it is not up to me to decide how funds are spent. She admits she didn't have a copy of a financial report, so she doesn't understand what budget they have in place - seems quite judgemental on her part to state FACTS on it and obviously she is not aware that you don't just demand things and organizations must prioritize their expenditures.

"Guns, cruisers and a maybe we can help in the future or real animals being helped today. The choice is yours." According to the SPCA website, they are law enforcement. What does Ms. McNamara expect the officers to do? "TRAP" the suspects? LOL!

Now that Ms. McNamara got caught lying via her Twitter post, she is lashing out at all SPCA members! Her histrionics and character assassination damaging her credibility even more! LOL! Who will she attack next!

rozimcpozi
May 23, 2009
4:46 p.m.

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Can you read?
What I asked for was something to put in a newsletter to promote the SPCA.

I asked for a financial report to help write grants and I was refused.

I guess this is what Darla meant when she warned me to be careful.

Come on ARVic, Stella77, doglover1981 tell us your real names what are you afraid of

enoughisenough
May 23, 2009
4:58 p.m.
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doglover1981
May 23, 2009
5 p.m.

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why dont you tell us your real names. and you still didnt answer my question YOU SAID YOUR WIFE WAS AT THE CASE NOT YOU GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. so what are you afraid of?

rozimcpozi
May 23, 2009
5:26 p.m.

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The truth I am not one of the pussy snatchers.

For the record neither of us was forced to resign. I actually never have. My wife resined because of her health.

zoostalker
May 23, 2009
5:38 p.m.

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If the cats are well fed, medically sound and sanitary conditions are acceptable, than who are we to say how many pets this person can have? Maybe in the Obamanation that you choose to live in telling someone how to live is ok but this is still America. This person is free to live the way he chooses and keep the pets he loves. In addition is there proof of his past animal abandonment? If so, then the SPCA stepping in to help educate this person is the best way to go. Hoarding is never solved by removing the animals. Hoarders just get more!.

ARVic
May 23, 2009
5:44 p.m.

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Aha! The truth finally comes out! It is frightening that the Snatchers actually think their vigilante tactics are appropriate and the general public would approve of it. These people have NO respect for boundaries - legal or personal.

Another lie from Mary Ann - "Not wanting to be personally financially responsible for other groups ecquipment she decided not to pursue working eith the SPCA anymore." Hmmmm. Now she says her wife resigned for health reasons. Yeah, whatever.

rozimcpozi
May 23, 2009
5:59 p.m.

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The stress of the SPCA was hurting her health. She was never asked to resign quite the contrary. I really don't care what you say about me but I will not let you defame my wife.

doglover1981
May 23, 2009
6:02 p.m.

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by the sound of it your wife has no fame what so ever just shame and to tell you the truth your making her look worst by getting all your facts wrong and not keeping your story straight.

ARVic
May 23, 2009
6:03 p.m.

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Spot on Zoo. There is NO law that mandates SPAY or NEUTER and who do these people think they are that they have some right to impose that on people. Even if there were such a law, do these groups have the LEGAL authority to force it? No, they don't. Just like the police know damn well which houses are crack houses, but they don't have the right to bust in and arrest. They must work within the frame work of the law. Sue Green, Snatcher & Snatcher claim to be more experienced than the SPCA and think they know better regarding rescue, but that is irrelevant. The SPCA obviously is trained in matters of law and know better on how to proceed within the law. The question is where do these yahoos get off telling Peace Officers how to proceed on a matter.

catlover14
May 23, 2009
6:09 p.m.

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Arvic, comparing cat rescues to the Gestapo is disgusting. I am half Jewish with a grandfather who spent time in a concentration camp, and cannot even believe you would compare the two.

ARVic
May 23, 2009
6:12 p.m.

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These are statements from two different posts by Rozi -

"Not wanting to be personally financially responsible for other groups ecquipment she decided not to pursue working eith the SPCA anymore."

or

"My wife resined because of her health."

Do tell us, Rozi, which is the truth?

ARVic
May 23, 2009
6:17 p.m.

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Cat, considering you are half jewish and your grandfather was in a concentration camp, it is unbelievable that you would want the SPCA to engage in Kristelnacht tactics with this man. Shame on you.

catlover14
May 23, 2009
6:24 p.m.

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I never said that anybody should attack this man. You are still comparing the two and are disgusting! I have no problem debating the argument at hand but I will not tolerate anti-semitism. I am done with this!

rozimcpozi
May 23, 2009
6:31 p.m.
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doglover1981
May 23, 2009
6:33 p.m.
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ARVic
May 23, 2009
6:48 p.m.

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ROFLMAO! Oh, lady, you do have BIG problem debating the argument at hand which is why you now want to draw attention away from it by making false claims of "anti-semitism". Where is ONE anti-semitic remark? There are none. You and wife have been exposed. Time to run and hide now. LOL! How convenient that you chose to leave before answering my question on which comment was the truth. LOL!

zoostalker
May 23, 2009
6:51 p.m.

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I couldn't agree more. I am sitting here in wonderment trying to figure out where the talk of Nazis and anti-semitism came from. My husband says anytime a flaming liberal starts to lose the arguement you pull the race card. I guess that's what this is.

catlover14
May 23, 2009
8:48 p.m.

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I have a boyfriend and am a registered republican (not a flaming liberal).. so apparently you think I'm someone else. It doesn't really matter at this point as this discussion has turned very ugly and offensive. Arvic, comparing cat rescues to the Gestapo was very inappropriate and I think even people of non-Jewish heritage would agree. Maybe you really thought I was someone else but please just think before you say things like that. I'm not running from the argument and I'm sorry if comments comparing the Gestapo to cat rescues offends me, but they do. It is a very sensitive subject for me, and this argument should not have gone there. I think we all need to cool off! I tried to get out of this discussion before and just logged in to see if things had calmed down. However, I am still being called out simply because I tried to walk away from this. I can't say anything without being attacked and I can't not say anything because then I'm accused of running and hiding. What would you like me to do? If I choose not to participate in this discussion anymore please leave it at that. Also, I would like to apologize to anyone I offended. I am not perfect and had no right to mudsling either. Please let's all calm down.

Theleftwhale
May 23, 2009
9:12 p.m.

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In response to enoughisenough, YOU have personally sunk to an all time low. What does personal preferences and personal affronteries have to do with the issue at hand? Actually, it's exactly what I would expect from you.

You chose a personal attack, plus false information concerning MY departure from the SPCA. I was NOT forced to resign, I resigned of my own volition, after it was made quite clear to me, that my section of the civilian volunteer SPCA, came somewhere behind legal and fundraising. I did not feel it fair to use the equipment provided me, by the cat rescues, to perform tasks for the SPCA. The falsehood, about ordering the HLE's to help, you have blown all out of proportion. It was simply a request for help. I don't know why you feel the need to malign and tell falsehoods about me, when all I've ever tried to do is help with the hoarding case. I have been working on this since I was requested to. I don't have a problem with that, so why do you persist in denegrating myself and the wonderful people in the rescues that work so hard to help the cats? I originally went there, met with the building manager,and spoke with him. He said he had been scared when he saw the two large officers show up in a squad car and carrying guns. Every one of the rescue workers I've worked alongside of, including the two HLE's, who requested my help, because I had already gotten the individual to relinquish 4 sick kittens to me, for medical care and adoption, see the progress that can be made. Since then 5 more have been spayed and 1 neutered. We, the rescues, have managed to arrange for the remainder of the cats to be spayed or neutered, at our expense. How can you question the integrity of rescues, imparticular, Cat Tales, who has done so much to help these sick cats, providing them with medical attention and treatments administered with loving care. All this at their own expense, not to mention the vet bill I, personally, paid for 1 cat imparticular, plus medicine for some others.

I would also like to point out that I have not participated in this "online commentfest",other than the one other posting you can read above. I have not posted under any other screen name, despite what you may or may not think.

It may be that some people are not aware of what rescues are all about, and I have never personally heard of, anyone I know, leading a raid on someone. I would be shocked and apalled. My wife has come to my defense,telling the truth about inaccurate information, plus the rescues, and so have some of the others, on here. Speaking of misinformation, my wife is NOT the second part of the Pussy Snatcher's trapping team. Ooooppps...need to check your facts, before you write them down, especially since you know us all.

I think it's time to get back to the main focus at hand. Let's educate the public, keep up the TNR programs, the spay & neuter programs and the well run adoption clinics.

catsrus
May 23, 2009
9:49 p.m.

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"The question is where do these yahoos get off telling Peace Officers how to proceed on a matter."
Because this is America and in America we are allowed to question authority even when that authority carries a gun.

ARVic
May 23, 2009
10:08 p.m.

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Gee, I thought you were "done with this", Cat. Obviously, you are mindless twit who cannot maintain self control. And, sorry, Cats, questioning authority and interfering in an investigation are two different things, but feel free to question, just don't assume you can tell cops when and how to enforce the law, that is not up to you.

ARVic
May 23, 2009
10:39 p.m.

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Sunk to an all time low, Left?!? LOL! Pot, Kettle is calling...ROFLMAO!

Not one person here but Cat and Rozi has attacked anyone. They have cast aspersion on an organization and also several of it's members.

Zoo, I am still also trying to figure what anti-semitic remarks were made. Neither can I find where anyone compared cat rescues to the Gestapo.

catsrus
May 23, 2009
10:40 p.m.

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Maybe I am missing something but who interfered with what investigation? I read 4 different people who have either been to the apartment in question or seen the cats that have come out of it. I would seem to me that there input is at least based in fact.

In reading the posts I don't see where the 4 "pro rescue" people have personally attacked anyone. And enoughisenough even in 2009 "outing" someone is bad form. It just isn't done by nice people. Remember everyone has secrets. :)

ARVic
May 23, 2009
11:07 p.m.

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Get real, Cats. Google Rozimcpozi. Mary Ann and her wife are very proud of their lesbian relationship. In fact, in Sharon's relatives obituary, she claims Mary Ann as her partner, so there is no "outing" here. LOL! Must be YOU have an issue with homosexuality and think it belongs in the closet.

According to the article, the SPCA is handling it as they see fit and Sue Green wants to bitch and complain about their method. The fact is, whether you like it or not, we only know what 2 booted members say and have not heard the other side. Obviously, Sue Green or the others complainers have any law enforcement training - until they do, they have NO business deciding how the situation should be handled as far as arresting people. Rozi (?) complains that the law enforcement section was getting more money than hers - so what? It is not her business how they divy up funds as long as they are being used truthfully and legitimately. As she herself stated, she did not have access to financial reports, therefore does not know whether money was even available. Sorry, I stick by my belief that the SPCA is handling it the RIGHT way and am glad they are not abusing their power. End of discussion. Thanks.

catsrus
May 23, 2009
11:19 p.m.

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Hmmmm who said they were booted out of the SPCA. A poster without enough nerve to use their real name. When that poster uses their real name and shows where they were asked to resign then you have a case. But what you have in enoughisenough is a homophobe making unfounded accusations.

scpa_all_the_way
May 24, 2009
12:33 a.m.

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I have been reading these posts for 2 days but have not made a comment. I made my user name so quickly that I said "scpa" insted of spca, my oops. I am a spca supporter all the way, but am feeling a little embarassed abaout some of the comments posted here. The spca does not need to be represented this way. Let's show everyone how much good the spca does by sticking to the facts of what we do and all the animals that we have helped. That is the way to get our point across and keep our name good. And I hate to say this Arvic, because I'm on your side, but you did say "Sounds more like a Gestapo mentality than rescue to me. at 11:38am. I know you didn't mean to offend anyone, but it didn't really sit well with me either. Nonetheless let's get past all this and show the haters how much good we've done! Not to change the subject, but I heard of a dog fighting ring just outside of Malta, would this be spca territory? (Maybe I'll bring this up outside of class?) Anyway let's focus on what we do best and help these animals! We are better then this! Go SPCA!!

gg802
May 24, 2009
8:58 a.m.

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What groups I may be a volunteer of is not relevant. For the record, my comments are not as a member of any group, but out of disgust and weariness of the rescues continually trying to undermine each other and being sickened at watching rescue progress stall because of it. I have witnessed and know as a participant of animal rescue groups in general that there is a lot of animosity between some groups over philosophical (kill/no kill) differences, and I have seen rescue volunteers place these differences and personality conflicts over the welfare of animals and a common goal of saving animals. And it is my opinion this exactly what Sue Green did. I have seen volunteers walk out of groups and actually refuse to help animals in immediate need merely because another member belonged to a particular rescue they didn’t like.

Animals desperately need our help and there needs to be cooperation and unity between all agencies involved in helping them, not bickering and fighting. Contacting the newspaper, publicly attacking and attempting to discredit ANY organization is counterproductive and works against rescue efforts as a WHOLE. Sue Green is certainly reckless and irresponsible in engaging in this behavior. Does anyone really think that there will be trust, cooperation and mutual respect now? It is unfortunate that she and the disgruntled SPCA volunteers cant step back and look at the big picture and see the ANIMALS suffer for it, not us.

NONE of the area rescues will take cats unless they are kittens because kittens are quickly adoptable. Myself and many others I know of have contacted the “no kill” rescues on many occasions looking for placement for cast off cats and only ONE time have I EVER got a rescue (Whiskers) to take a cat - a mother and her second litter that I took in. I adopted out her first litter and saw that they were altered. I was told by Whiskers that I had to PAY paid them, not a donation, I had to PAY them. I was just told by Cat Tales that they do not have enough foster homes to take any of the cats I recently took in. (I have the email if anyone would like proof) No one from the “rescues” DARES to ask where these cats are now or what happened to them after they refused to take them. As such, I do feel justified in questioning why all these rescues can suddenly take 2 or 3 now. It makes no sense whatsoever that this man’s cats have a home, food, and care but the homeless cats I took in went to a “kill” shelter and their death because the “leave the killing to some else” rescues claimed they had NO SPACE for them. And these cats were in immediate need of their “rescue”.

BTW, I have two right (both abandoned by owners and left behind, one un-altered) now that I cannot keep and will be going to the APF this week.

Which “rescue” will be the first to volunteer to take them?

doglover1981
May 24, 2009
10:23 a.m.

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TO ALL THE CAT RESCUE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO ACT HARD AND GET PEOPLE TO RELEASE THEIR NAMES WHY DONT YOU SAY YOUR NAMES FIRST, UNTIL YOU GIVE YOUR NAMES OUT DONT ASK FOR ANYONE ELSE'S!

stellar77
May 24, 2009
10:37 a.m.

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Let me first say that the beauty of these types of sites is anonymity - no one has to say who they are. Not everyone posting here is a member of the rescues or the SPCA, some are just concerned citizens and animal lovers like myself. With that being said, I can't believe that I am posting again, but feel this is an important point to make. All of the mudslinging and personal attacks aside, this is a forum for people to let their opinion be heard and for discussion to take place. I feel that this has come to an all time low, and people do need to step back and realize the bigger problem at hand here. This is what I see. The SPCA enlisted the help of one or more rescue groups to help facilitate the care of the cats this man is hoarding, which is nice to see - its called collaboration. When it didn't go exactly as the rescues had planned, someone went to the media to complain and again, it didn't go their way. Now, people are using this blog as a forum to bash one another. Ultimately, it appears that a few individuals from some rescue groups want nothing to do with the SPCA anymore. What happnes in the future when the SPCA encounters a situation where they need the assistance of a rescue group? Where will they turn now that you have seemingly burned all their bridges? The only ones suffering here are the animals and that is a shame. I am NOT against rescues in any way, shape, or form, but I am against the attacks made, the accusations posted, and the attempt to close off the SPCA from the rescue community. Obviously the SPCA needs assistance now, as they are a young organization and do not yet have their own shelter. What are they to do now? Any of you rescue workers on here think about the future animals that will be harmed by the alienation you are working so hard at??

veracity
May 24, 2009
11:02 a.m.

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GG802,

If you are the person I am thinking of you were a part of the Save the Geese group and I think I even donated some money when you were collecting for Estherville (?) or another shelter.
I don't know you personally, but you were always very concerned about the animals in your Save The Geese posts and were always active in some kind of fundraising or supply raising effort.
2 things I would like to address in your post:

1) I am in the Cat Tales Rescue group and I am one of the board members. We currently have no foster homes available for surrenders and I am sorry that we can't take your two.
Is there a possibility you could hang onto them for a while? We could try to get the unaltered one into a low cost clinic and possibly help out with some cat food & litter. I will check with the other board members if you are interested in doing this.
While we have been having some steady adoptions we now have in addition to the cats coming in on our waiting list, 5 kittens from the person in question who because of their physical condition are going to be long term fosters until we can get them healthy enough for adoption. It sounds like people in these posts may have had
a bad experience in trying to get a found or abandoned cat into a rescue. Unfortunately, there aren't enough fosters for them all. That's the real reason to spay and neuter. So when you or someone else tries to get an animal a home, you can't because it's being taken up by the animals of someone who wasn't caring enough to spay or neuter their pets.
One would have to be from another planet not to realize that pet overpopulation is rampant and yet people continue to be careless and animals are abandoned or die because of it. I know I am preaching to the choir here, but I feel it needs to be said.
I would also like to add that Cat Tales is also a new group having just formed at the end of 08 and if someone in an above post thought the SPCA was doing the best it could with just being in existence for a year, well, we are also doing our best too.

2) I have worked with Sue Green for the past two years at one of the APF's low cost spay neuter clinics. Since the program expanded to a weekly basis,
Sue and I (along with other rescues) have been there every week. Sue has been active in the rescue community for 30 some years. She helps people with all kinds of things from TNR, to s/n, to help with vet bills. It is unfortunate that the Gazette reporter
portrayed Sue as some kind of rescue vigilante.
Sue has a "can do" attitude and along with others of us, was frustrated with the situation since she had called the SPCA several months ago about this man.
You can imagine what we all felt like when we heard very recently that he had had situations in the past.

I wrote this because I believe you are a good person and are frustrated with this whole thing as are many of us.

stellar77
May 24, 2009
12:01 p.m.

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I am always seeking to become more knowledgeable about things. What are the cat rescues frustrated with? I'm not understanding! Are you all frustrated that he wasn't arrested? Are you frustrated that he wasn't forced to give up his cats? Are you frustrated that he isn't being forced to spay them (which it sounds like he started to do anyway)? I just want to understand where the rescues are coming from.

scpa_all_the_way
May 24, 2009
1:02 p.m.

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As I stated earlier I am an spca supporter, but have become upset about how this discussion was making us look, as I think some of our own comments had become very ugly and beyond inappropriate. Like Stellar, I am also not against rescues. Veracity, I can tell you are very knowledgable and I found your post extremely informative. So thank you! :) I hope that the personal attacks at this point have stopped! I see an apology was already posted from one of the rescue people for mudslinging and I honestly felt that person seemd sincere. I'm sure some of the spca people would like to follow suit at this point, because I'm sure now they honestly realize some of comments they made were inappropriate too! Things were said, but we live in a world of forgiveness and the spca is really a good group of people that caught up in heat of the moment and just seemed to lose focus. I think we have that focus back now and am very happy about this! Go Team SPCA! Let's get back on track!! Also, as far as the dog fighting is concerned, where should I instruct these people to officially complain? Is the hotline sufficient?

rozimcpozi
May 24, 2009
1:10 p.m.

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They are frustrated because it took nearly a month from the first time the SPCA was notified until the first rescue person made contact. Please note that rescue person while a member of the SPCA was doing this as a member of a rescue and not the SPCA, she was contacted by Sue Green. After talking to the management company the gentleman let Sharon in. She convinced him to give her 4 kittens 3 of which have been adopted. She also got a promise that he would work with her to get the cats altered. (The cats were inbreeding causing birth defects and low weights this was verified by the vets that saw the cats)
The issues really began when the SPCA spooked the man by going to his house in full uniform and guns with arrest threats.
When Sharon found out about this she was very upset because it jeopordized (sp) her building relationship with this man. In the end Sharon thought a good compromise would be her, a civilian volunteer, and the HLE officer to go his home. After much discussion this is how things went forward.
It was at this time that we learned just how sick these cats really are. URIs a rampant.
The cats that have been managed to be released are being cared for by the rescues as Veracity has said. It is frustrating to see these cats sick and be almost helpless. It is frustrating to know that this has happened before. And it is frustrating because no one can agree on how to stop it from happening again. That is what I believe the rescues are frustrated about.

My personal frustration is that I have seen a person I love cry tears of anger and frustration over this incident. I have had to sit quiet while she was yelled at by people on both sides over her trying to help, going to fast, going to slow, being too nice. I had to sit here last night while someone decided bringing up her mothers obit on the day she buried one of her childhood friends was a funny thing to do.
I have been frustrated because I know that all the wonderful rescue people (I won't name them because I don't want to miss one) have jumped in to help finding foster homes, and spay an neuter appointments no matter what their personal views on the fate of the human should be.
A positive outcome of this situation can be accomplished only with the co operation of everyone. Giving interviews taking all the credit and pointing fingers does little to further this co operation.
This will get accomplished with or without anyone individual or groups help. As I type this Sharon trying to think of ways to make sure that he lets the groups find homes for these cats before he moves.
I wish I knew the names of the posters so the ones who legitimately want to help can.

I would sign my name but you all know everything about me except the color of my toe nails (red BTW) I don't think it is necessary

enoughisenough
May 24, 2009
2:49 p.m.

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Allegations of animal fighting, abuse, or neglect can be filed 24/7/365 online at:

http://www.schenectadyspca.org/file_a_co...

or by calling the SPCA Law Enforcement hotline 518-755-9517 (which is staffed by volunteers). The Schenectady County SPCA has criminal investigation jurisdiction relating to animals in Schenectady, Schoharie, and Saratoga Counties.

NOTE: Filing a false complaint with the SPCA is a crime (See NYS Penal Law 240.50) and interfering with an SPCA investigation is a crime (See NYS Agriculture and Markets Law Section 369) both punishable by as much as a year in jail or a $1000 fine.

rozimcpozi
May 24, 2009
4:43 p.m.

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Thanks for the info Darla

scpa_all_the_way
May 24, 2009
6:12 p.m.

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Thank you for the information enoughisenough. I will pass this information along to the people that brought this to my attention! Let's pray it isn't true.. although I don't want anyone to be fined. :)
God Bless

doglover1981
May 24, 2009
8:35 p.m.

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This has become a waste of time cause it seem that the cat rescue has turned to childish tactics to try and put down SPCA members and supporters (like myself). good luck on this issue SPCA im sure you will continue to do the right thing. cat rescue i hope you grow up. now excuse me im gonna go back and get ready for a nice day at the beach tomorrow.

scpa_all_the_way
May 24, 2009
11:52 p.m.

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Doglover I hope you have a good time at the beach! Thank you for all your support as I know you said that you don't even live in New York. I think it's wonderful that your love of animals has gotten you involved in our little county's issues. I also think this board has actually taken a turn for the better in the last day and I am feeling better about the outcome of this horrible situation. Perhaps you could offer some advice as to how situations like this are handled in your area? I think all of us on either side would be open for suggestions. I don't know where you live, but are the laws on handling these issues any different in your state? Also, are there a lot of rescues or is the cat overpopulation problem not as prevalent? I am just curious because I don't know how anything works in any other areas of the country, so maybe you could offer some constructive criticism as to things are done in your area. (Near the beach) :)

katedanaher
May 29, 2009
8:45 p.m.

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Hoarders endanger the health and lives of every living creature in their possession, and the suffering they cause is extreme and long term. The rate of recidivism for hoarders nears 100%. Currently, most states have no mandatory requirements keeping convicted animal hoarders away from animals following their convictions. The Animal Legal Defense Fund is urging states to adopt a First Strike and You're Out law—a model law written by ALDF that would prevent animal abusers from having the chance to harm other animals again. We need to educate prosecutors, judges, and legislators that hoarding is like alcoholism: an incurable addiction that means that they must never have another drink-or, in this case, another animal. This proposed legislation would stop convicted hoarders from going on to abuse other animals—you can ask your legislators to support a First Strike and You're Out law via an online letter at www.aldf.org/firststrike <http://www.aldf.org/firststrike>. The current issue of O, The Oprah Magazine gives an in-depth profile of how the Animal Legal Defense Fund used the law to rescue 300+ dogs from an animal hoarder (www.aldf.org/oprah <http://www.aldf.org/oprah> ).

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